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Steve Jobs in Exile
In this episode, Shane and Ben discuss Steve Jobs's exile from Apple, his ventures with NeXT Computer and Pixar, and his eventual return to Apple.
Listen on the show ↗Key takeaways
- ⏳Steve Jobs was nearly completely forgotten and written out of history after being pushed out of Apple in 1985.00:05
- ⚔️Jobs's attempt to launch a coup against John Sculley, the CEO he hired, ultimately led to his ousting from Apple.03:05
- 💸Jobs spent $100,000 on a logo for NeXT Computer, an astronomical sum that set a precedent for extravagant spending.10:19
- 🧊Jobs's vision for a 'perfect cube' computer at NeXT was aesthetically pleasing but incredibly impractical and expensive to manufacture, leading to financial struggles.12:03
- 🚫Jobs refused to sell NeXT computers to the federal government, including the CIA and NSA, despite lucrative contracts, because he wanted to sell to schools and dorm rooms.26:15
- 🐍Jobs was nearly personally bankrupt and called a 'snake oil salesman' by Fortune magazine during his exile from Apple.28:01
Chapters
- 0:00Steve Jobs at Rock Bottom
- 0:33The Ousting from Apple
- 5:04The NeXT Computer Venture
- 35:30The Software Triumph and Hardware Failure
- 48:12The Turning Point: Pixar and Personal Growth
- 59:33The Return to Apple
- 1:15:09The Enduring Legacy: Lessons Learned
- 1:23:28Steve Jobs and Bill Gates Rivalry
- 1:29:47The Final Return and Apple's Renaissance
- 1:38:58The Man Behind the Legend
The digest
Everyone knows the legend of Steve Jobs, the visionary who showed us the future. But as Ben Thompson and Shane Parrish discuss in this episode, few people are familiar with the period where Jobs walked through the wilderness, failing repeatedly after his ousting from Apple. This era, from 1985 to 1997, was a crucible that transformed Jobs from an arrogant, difficult co-founder into the more mature leader who would eventually return to Apple and lead it to unprecedented success.
The Ousting from Apple: A Coup and a Crisis
Steve Jobs, a brilliant young man and co-founder of Apple, released the Macintosh computer in 1984. This was a game-changer, making personal computing accessible. However, despite its cultural success, the Macintosh was not a commercial success. Sales were weak, leading Apple into a crisis in 1985. John Sculley, the CEO Jobs had brought in to provide "adult supervision," found Jobs increasingly difficult to manage. Jobs was known for storming into meetings, yelling at people, and telling them they weren't doing their jobs right, even though he only ran the Macintosh division and wasn't their direct boss. Apple received numerous complaints about Jobs, and Sculley, tired of his behavior, decided Jobs had to "do something else for a while."
Jobs, however, had other plans. He attempted a coup against Sculley in early 1985. His plot involved getting a speaking gig in China and then convincing Sculley to join him, while Jobs would secretly walk into the boardroom and tell them Sculley had to be ousted, with Jobs taking over as CEO. The plot was foiled when Jobs confided in Jean-Louis Gassée, the head of Apple France, who immediately reported the plan to Sculley. This led to Jobs being pushed out of the company, a moment Ben describes as hitting "rock bottom" for Jobs.
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- NeXT Computer: A Perfectionist's Dream and a Financial Nightmare
- The Software Triumph and the Hardware Failure
- The Turning Point: Pixar and Personal Growth
- The Return to Apple: Pragmatism and a New Vision
- The Enduring Legacy: Lessons Learned
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