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Michael Kratsios: Trump's Science Agenda, Anti-Science Claims, Fauci's Damage, DEI & China
Michael Kratsios, former CTO of the United States and current Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy at the White House, discusses the Trump administration's science agenda, addressing claims of being anti-science, the impact of figures like Dr. Fauci, the role of DEI in scientific funding, and the scientific competition with China.
Listen on the show ↗Key takeaways
- 🏛️The Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) coordinates science and technology policy across various US government agencies, rather than being a single, centralized science agency.00:56
- 🇺🇸The Trump administration views itself as deeply caring about the American science and technology enterprise, aiming to make the US the home for the next great scientific discoveries.02:12
- 🗣️Science has become 'deeply and deeply politicized,' especially during COVID-19, leading to a 'dogma' where questioning certain figures or conclusions is labeled 'anti-science.'03:29
- 💰Roughly 25% of grants from the National Science Foundation (NSF) during the Biden administration went towards DEI-related initiatives, totaling $8 billion over four years, which Kratsios argues is not science.07:35
- 📉Despite a more than threefold increase in NIH funding since 1998, there hasn't been a proportional rise in breakthrough treatments, indicating a decline in research efficiency.13:56
- ✈️The US is experiencing a 'scientific stagnation' and is flying 'slower than we were before' in terms of scientific progress, partly due to a lack of innovation in how science is funded and conducted.14:50
Chapters
- 0:44Introduction to Michael Kratsios and the OSTP
- 2:35Addressing Anti-Science Claims and Politicization of Science
- 5:23Re-evaluating Science Funding and the DEI Controversy
- 7:09Stagnation in Scientific Progress and Innovation in Funding
- 35:09The Scientific Race with China and Strategic Priorities
- 1:04:10The Future of US Science: Talent, Immigration, and Institutional Reform
- 1:30:16Conclusion: Optimism for the Future of US Science
The digest
Michael Kratsios, Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) at the White House, joined the All-In podcast to discuss the Trump administration's approach to science and technology. Kratsios, who previously served as the Chief Technology Officer of the United States, outlined the administration's goals, defended against accusations of being anti-science, and offered critical perspectives on the current state of scientific funding and progress.
The Role of the OSTP and the "Science in a New Golden Age" Report
Kratsios explained that the OSTP, established in the 1960s, is unique to the US government as it coordinates science and technology policy across various agencies rather than being a single overarching agency. The OSTP works with the President to set the national science and technology agenda and implement it across all government agencies. Kratsios emphasized that the administration is not anti-science, citing the recent report, "Science in a New Golden Age," as evidence. He stated that the administration deeply cares about the American science and technology enterprise, aiming for the US to be the home for the next great scientific discoveries, empower young scientists, and create an ecosystem that supports scientists in tackling the hardest problems.
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- Addressing the "Anti-Science" Label and Public Perception
- Re-evaluating Science Funding and the DEI Controversy
- Stagnation in Scientific Progress and the Need for Innovation in Funding
- The Scientific Race with China and Strategic Priorities
- The Future of US Science: Talent, Immigration, and Institutional Reform
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