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This Is Why People Hate the Government
Ezra Klein talks to Annie Lowrey about her new book, "Give People Money," and why the government's administrative burdens make people hate it.
Listen on the show ↗Key takeaways
- ⏰The "time tax" refers to the hidden burdens of work (emotional, logistical, knowledge-based) involved in navigating bureaucratic processes, serving as a regressive filter on progressive policies.02:54
- ⚖️Administrative burdens can be a tool of social control, designed to make people feel good or bad about themselves and their relationship with the government, and to construct class.03:31
- 🧠The cognitive cost of poverty is akin to being sleepless, creating a constant mental weight that makes it harder for individuals to escape poverty.10:20
- 📉The 1996 welfare reform, with its work requirements and time limits, made TANF so ineffective that it no longer impacts the child poverty rate.25:25
- 🌍Unlike many European countries where taxes are pre-filled or simplified, the US tax system's complexity and lack of data sharing between agencies create unnecessary burdens.48:48
- 📝The DHS 1171 form, an 18,000-word, 1,000-question application for aid in Michigan, is an example of the state weaponizing the time tax to deter people from seeking help.49:58
Chapters
- 0:57The Time Tax
- 1:47Poverty as a Social Construct
- 11:56The 1996 Welfare Reform
- 25:37Deserving vs. Undeserving
- 40:55The DHS 1171 Form
- 1:20:28The Tax System
- 1:58:31Books
The digest
Ezra Klein talks to Annie Lowrey about her new book, "Give People Money," and why the government's administrative burdens make people hate it.
The Time Tax
Annie Lowrey defines the "time tax" as the burden of work, whether emotional, logistical, or knowledge-based, that goes into any bureaucratic process where you are the end-user. It's basically thinking about bureaucracy's effect on the people who are being bureaucratized. Lowrey also describes administrative burdens as a tool of social control. These things seem neutral, but they are often purposefully designed to make people feel good or bad about themselves and their relationship with the government. They are a way to construct class and ensure that some people can get something while others can't. Lowrey sees them as a regressive filter on progressive policies. The policy might be out there, but it's so hard to get that many people won't receive it. These burdens are also used to shape economic decisions, like the SNAP program's rule that you can't buy hot food, forcing recipients to cook their own groceries. This is a method of control, not just about nutrition. Lowrey notes that there are exemptions for people who are unstably housed or homeless because it's hard to cook for yourself if you're not living anywhere. She also points out that EBT cards, which work like a Visa, used to require separating grocery orders, making recipients visible to others in the grocery store. This is a tool of humiliation, as the government is willing to humiliate people to feed their children. These programs come with a time valence, a financial valence, and an emotional valence.
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- Poverty as a Social Construct
- The 1996 Welfare Reform
- Deserving vs. Undeserving
- The DHS 1171 Form
- The Tax System
- Books
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